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7 responses to “What’s a Fair Fee to Pay a Fiduciary”

  1. Lou Day

    Chris,
    You are usually spot on and most of this article is with the exception of your comment “it would not be unusual to find a high expense ratio actively managed fund with better returns than a low expense actively managed fund”. The fact is that and I quote from Laura Lutton from Morningstar “cheaper funds are far more likely to outperform.” Still a fan but thought you should know.

  2. Lynne McAuley

    This article is tweet worthy.

    If the plan sponsor fiduciary first looks at fees and notices that that an actively managed fund has a higher expense ratio, then it should compare its performance to other funds. If the plan sponsor fiduciary first looks at performance, then the second step in the analysis should be to look at the cost of the fund compared to similar funds. Basically, it is at least a two step analytical process. The sponsor should also see if there is a lot of overlap in the asset classes offered and if there is utilization by participants. My two cents.

  3. Antoine Orr

    Why not charge a flat fee instead of a percentage of the AUM? It removes any compensation conflicts of interest. And the flat-fee is not extracted from the investment account. Also, over time, the AUM fee as a percentage of contributions, may be much greater than the over-all flat-fee charged.

  4. MFBM

    So if an RIA manages $500,000 portfolio of index funds they only charge the client $250/ yr.? Good luck staying in business.

  5. loneMADman

    Hi Chris, excellent article, although I agree with some of the feedback above. I would add that the following comment is misguided: “rarely does looking at a mutual fund’s expense ratio tell you anything more than what you’ve already seen in the fund’s performance results”.

    If you are concerned only with past performance, then the statement is accurate. When selecting investments, however, sponsors and fiduciaries are primarily concerned with future performance. And empirical evidence suggests that the single best predictor of a fund’s relative future performance is the level of fees levied against that fund. So it is critically important to look at these and, indeed, would be a significant breach of fiduciary duty not to do so.

  6. Donald Moore

    Very interesting article and intriguing responses. I understand that the primary focus is on retirement/employeement plans where the “fiduciary” can be one of many. Also, I was worked forthe US Treasury for a number of years as a fiduciary examiner and now I am a consultant in the fiduciary industry, so I have seen many organizations swing and miss on the fee issue.

    The article is absolutely on point when it discusses the “conflict of interest” matter. A corporate trustee (such as a bank trust department or a trust company) does have a fiduciary responsibility to at least two separate and distinct parties when considering the fee issue. These two parties are 1) the beneficiaries AND 2) company shareholders. So as a fiduciary for the beneficiaries one must take into consideration the value of the service being provided and the cost structure of such service. Providing a top level service and collecting “cheapo” pricing does not bode well for the longevity of the organization and thus leads to inferior service to the client. As a fiduciary for the shareholder I will refer to the economist Milton Freidman who stated that an employee of an organization has a fiduciary duty to the shareholders of that organization to increase the value of the shareholders investment by making as much money as legally possible.

    I have been in several organizations where fees have never been assessed or collected on several accounts. The reasons for this are varied and include operational errors, account acceptance waivers/exceptions that were not tracked and corrected, administrator involvement and the promise of additional funds in the future, fraud, etc. Every organization has them and you are kidding yourself if you think you do not.

    What we are seeing currently is an increased focus on fees and the generation of revenue. While this is a positive sign, the industry needs to focused more on the optimization of risk-adjusted revenue. Our process looks ate each account on an account-by-account basis and has resulted in annual revenue lifts for our clients in the 15% to 25% range. Too many organizations are standing on a whale fishing for minnows when it comes to fees.

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